Cannabis Questions? Ask a Nurse!

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Maria
Hello. Hello and welcome to Just Say KNOW. The show that spotlights the innovators behind cannabis newest products, and the groundbreaking ideas and people driving the legal cannabis movement. I'm your host, Maria Calabrese, broadcasting on KCAA radio 1050 AM, 106.5 FM, the station that leaves no listener behind. Let's face it, everyone has questions about cannabis. Or hemp or marijuana.

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Maria
The same thing. Will CBD get me high? Do I have to smoke it? Can I get the benefits without the high? Will it interfere with my medications? Is it legal? Where do you even start? For many of us, and myself included, finding clear, trustworthy answers about cannabis. After decades of prohibition and misinformation, it often leads to more confusion.

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Maria
Learning about cannabis. It's it's it's like picking up a new language, guys. It's much easier with guidance from someone fluent in both cannabis and health sciences, which is what led me to take action. Seek out unbiased resources and bring them together to create. Just say no. And it's also why I am genuinely, genuinely thrilled. Have we got someone special to me today, guys?

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Maria
I am so excited to introduce today's guest, Katherine Golden. Hey, Katherine.

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Katherine Golden
Hello.

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Maria
Katherine is a cannabis trained registered nurse and the founder and executive director of Leaf 411. Leaf 411 is the go to resource for consumers, offering reliable guidance from nurses trained in cannabinoid science. In a nutshell, they take the guesswork out of navigating legal cannabis and empower individuals to make informed decisions about their health. Now, what drew me to Leaf 411 is their belief that knowledge is power.

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Maria
Okay, just say no. That's with a k and a w k and o w. Knowledge is power. In today's world, where so many of us are looking for reliable places or people to turn to for answers to our questions, I can, I can truly say leaf for ones cannabis trained nurses. They stand apart as trusted guides to help us consumers start our cannabis journey on the right path.

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Maria
So sit back. Relax. As we explore how cannabis can improve our lives and how to choose products and health care providers that are right for you. With insights from some of the brightest minds in the industry.

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Intro
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Maria
It is my absolute pleasure to welcome Katherine Golden to just say no.

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Katherine Golden
Nothing.

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Maria
Katherine, you're not only a registered nurse with extensive clinical experience, but also a passionate leader and advocate in the cannabis space. As the founder and CEO and executive Director and mom of Leaf 411 a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing free cannabis education and guidance to the public. You've spent over eight years championing knowledge, integrity and service excellence in the cannabis industry.

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Maria
On the heels of a 28 year career as a registered nurse, you must have started when you were five. But we'll talk about that later. Welcome, Katherine and thank you so much for joining us today.

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Katherine Golden
Wow. Well, thank you for that introduction. I just am so thrilled to be here, to be able to connect with your audience and, and hopefully get a lot of their questions answered and, and provide that knowledge that you talked about. You know, that that is what I'm here to do. And I can't wait to get started.

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Maria
It's amazing. I mean, you are filling an education vacuum and, decades and decades, 1937 Marijuana Tax Act prohibition communication void. So, you know, through your work, at Leaf 411 you oversee everything from the administration and programing to fundraising and compliance, all while leading a team of senior professionals, which is amazing that you were able to assemble, who all share in your mission.

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Maria
So, Tell me a little bit about tell us about your career and your mission.

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Katherine Golden
Okay. All right. Well, let's see where do I start? I'll start. I have been a registered nurse for 28 years. And in the cannabis industry for about eight now. My journey, I think when you talk to anybody in cannabis, especially a medical professional, typically they have a personal story that got them started in looking into the science behind cannabis.

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Katherine Golden
And that's what happened with me. So eight years ago, I was still a nonbeliever in cannabis as medicine. I actually voted against it when it was, up for adult use here in Colorado. Wow, I, I know, I know, and I'm very open about saying that in transparent because I was working nurse in an hospitals and believe that propaganda.

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Katherine Golden
I believed what, they were saying that there was no medicinal value to cannabis, and it never worked for me personally when I was in my youth. And so I thought, well, you know, there's there's no science then, you know, it's there's no use for it. So I voted against it. And then, eight years ago, my brother in law was suddenly diagnosed with stage four lung cancer and given 2 to 5 years to live.

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Katherine Golden
We were extremely devastated. And so he's actually in California and my sister said, well, you know, we're, privileged enough to be able to go to some of the top researchers in California and USC, UCI and UCLA, and one of them at the a female researcher at USC said, you know, we'll look at cannabis, but we look at it as a last ditch effort because we don't know anything about it.

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Katherine Golden
So when she told me that, I said, you know what? I'll look into it because it's so popular here in Colorado. Everybody's talking about it, they're voting for it. It passed, you know, and it's, you know, used medicinally here. Let me look into the validity of this plant. So I went to all of our typical resources that any clinician would look at, you know, PubMed, Science Direct, National Institute of Health, you know, where we look for the black and white science.

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Katherine Golden
And when I started looking, I was shocked and actually angered that there is so much science that shows promise with this plant that I started saying, okay, how can I learn more? So as a medical professional, even eight years ago as a nurse, I had to just go deep online and try to find where there were courses that I could take to teach me cannabinoid therapeutics or cannabinoid science.

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Katherine Golden
So I did that, and I found, resources like the American Cannabis Nurses Association who offered a, a course at that time called the Medical Cannabis Institute. I took their first courses for medical professionals, and that's where I started my journey. And so with that, I could start trying to help educate my sister and my brother in law on, the value of cannabis and integrating that.

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Maria
Wow, wow, wow, wow. So much to unpack there.

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Katherine Golden
Yeah. So and a little bit what I learned is I found, like, you just spoke up the experts in this industry, and the one that I found was Doctor Bonnie Goldstein. And she I said, oh, she is top. I can tell from all the science. And she's in California with you. So I made an appointment and I said, I'm taking you.

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Katherine Golden
I am flying to California. I am taking you to Doctor Bonnie. Wow. And we are going to have an appointment. And that time eight years ago. You know, she's a pediatric, physician, but she was seeing adults as well. So thankfully, I was able to get him in with her. And there started his journey. So we are eight years now, and he is healthy.

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Katherine Golden
He's, he's doing every normal thing you would do. And he's still taking his cannabis. They don't know why his, kinase inhibitor or this drug that was supposed to only last, I believe it was 18 months, has now lasted eight years and so on, guiding him on what to use. And then here we are eight years later and he's still with us.

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Katherine Golden
Healthy as ever.

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Maria
Wow wow wow wow. You're amazing. And I know you are. You really cannot be understated. I cannot tell you how many people, family members included, that I have tried to get to try to get in to see Bonnie Goldstein. And they resist. They just resist and and and and, you know, justifiably so because of the, the stigma deep.

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Maria
You're a convert. You're a I call you a cannabis convert. And those those are the best, right? We're going to we're going to move them out and and push it over the line to be rescheduled because, I too am a cannabis convert. I was a child of dare. I went to law school. This was never on the table.

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Maria
This is. It's a felony, right? It's the devil's weed. And I am. And like you, I. I really wasn't aware of any medicinal value. And, being misinformed as well. I thought it really was either something that was dangerous and abused recreationally or an end of life drug. Last resort, which is such, such a shame. It's,

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Maria
Well, your your brother in law and your brother in law, right?

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Katherine Golden
Correct.

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Maria
It's, Now, did he take it as an adjunct therapy with traditional uncle G treatments, or how did how did that go?

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Katherine Golden
Yes. So and that's that's exactly where the fear is, you know, how do I introduce this. Can I introduce this? So he was able to take it and he still does with his pharmaceuticals. So with his oncology medication. Okay. So he, he was in a, study program. He couldn't use cannabis at the time because he was in a study program.

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Katherine Golden
So that you have to be very careful with that. They don't want anything interfering, but that didn't the immunotherapy did not work for him. Actually threw him into liver failure. So he, he was kicked out of the, he was actually kicked out of the study. And that's when we were saying, let's introduce cannabis and started introducing cannabis.

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Katherine Golden
So that my journey of how I started with, you know, teaching and showing him. And I firmly believe, I wish there were some way I could put a pocket nurse or a nurse in everyone's little pocket, because I love it. They were able to pull me out and say, what can we do? How do we navigate the system?

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Katherine Golden
We don't understand healthcare. And then you're telling us about cannabis. And I was able to talk to them about dispensaries, how to purchase everything that I was trying to absorb and learn at the same time. So and that's kind of how, you know, I evolved in becoming a cannabis nurse at a clinic. And seeing that, not most people, you know, are having trouble affording the out-of-pocket cost for a physician's appointment.

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Katherine Golden
And also and just to even know if cannabis would be suitable for them. So that's how I got started starting the nonprofit Leaf 411, because I wanted everyone, anyone, no matter what your financial ability is, no matter if you have a smartphone or a landline to be able to call, Leaf 411and get free guidance.

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Katherine Golden
If you needed free guidance. And it's kind of it's grown from there.

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Maria
Wow wow wow wow. Well, you're remarkable on so many levels. I mean, a whole other episode with can have attorneys on and we could talk about. I'm still blown away. And I'm, I'm thrilled that you are a not for profit organization, but at the same time, my heart bleeds for you because I'm out for profit organizations. How are they funded?

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Maria
They're funded with government grants. And as long as this is a schedule one and federally illegal, how is that impacted your funding from the government?

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Katherine Golden
Yeah. We don't we can't apply for government funding on we have to rely on foundations and individual giving. And, you know, just to give you a little glimpse into the struggles we had, we probably applied for about, I don't know, 12 grants last year and got zero. Because a lot of foundations are very concerned with, their other donors and how they feel about cannabis.

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Katherine Golden
So even though we do not touch the plant and we state that everywhere we're education only, they still say, well, it's still uncomfortable for us, or you have the word cannabis on your, website. So that's a problem. You have a cannabis leaf on your website. That's been a problem. All these little things. So even though we're licensed medical professionals, talking about safe use, safe consumption, we still do not get grants.

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Maria
And not only that, the wealth of anecdotal evidence that you have and that you can offer and empirical evidence, I mean, human studies, I look at your brother in law. Case in point, it's, it's so frustrating. It's so frustrating. But, we just have to, you know, continue to, to, to make people aware. The initial reaction is cannabis.

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Maria
No and no, but we're hoping to reshape that. You're mission knowledge is power. That's why this is Just Say KNOW with a K and a W. We want people to know, guys, this is not a knee jerk. You can't just say no. I mean, you can, but there's it's so underutilized. And God forbid you don't have to wait until you're in a place where Western medicine just doesn't have a solution, which often happens.

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Maria
So.

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Katherine Golden
Right. And that's where cannabis can lead is is really giving you hope. And that's what we provide is hope that there's an alternative. You know, you're struggling. You know, people are struggling with pharmaceuticals.

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Maria
And ironically, ironically, I saw a wonderful TED talk. It was a, family practitioner, internist who's studying, cannabis now. And he was talking about it doesn't only give you hope, but the paradox is because it's so, still a schedule one. It gives you control because if you're in a state that where it's legal, you have control by walking into a dispensary that has more of an old apothecary feel, you're not waiting for the doctor to phone in the prescription to the corporate place.

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Maria
It's it's, that control over and learning how to dose it. It. Apparently there are studies that that helps patients would would you say clinically you've seen that?

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Katherine Golden
Yes. I mean, one thing that I'm really telling callers every day is that over the last decade, there's been over 35,000 scientific papers published on National Institutes of Health. PubMed that so when you think about that number, over 35,000.

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Maria
You know, that's and years and years, just the last ten years that.

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Katherine Golden
You know, when someone says, oh, there's I'm sure you heard this, there's not enough science. I mean, there's all the time. All the time. That's the repeater language. That's what people who don't want to take the time to actually look, just continue repeating. And it's false information.

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Maria
And it's dangerous information. And it's not based on 35, ten decades. It's not based on ten years of 35 studies. It's based on 80 years of propaganda. And, you know, that's, a whole other, story. But, I'm just curious, was your brother in law in Colorado as well know California?

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Katherine Golden
And that's why.

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Maria
Okay. Yeah, we're all right. Well, you know, we're 20 minutes into the show, and I'm in California, and in California, it's 420. So, Katherine you're going to be on the hot seat. We're going to, this is the part of the show where, 420 we ask our guests to drop a knowledge bomb. So are you ready to drop a knowledge bomb for us?

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Katherine Golden
Yep. Let me have it.

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Maria
Well, in keeping with what we were discussing to anyone out there that is hesitant about using cannabis or who's genuinely afraid this misinformation, it is repeat language and that sticks. And they're genuinely afraid to even suggest it to a loved one where you suggested it to your brother in law. But there are people who would really be afraid to even do that due to the stigma or the fear.

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Maria
What? What would you say to them if they had you in their back pocket or today, right now on the show?

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Katherine Golden
Yeah, I would say what we tell people a lot that are nervous and fearful of cannabis is start with the topical, because the topical you can actually feel something happening. Typically if you have arthritic pain or you have joint pain, just even putting it on, and even if you felt nothing but that, nothing tells you that it's not scary.

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Katherine Golden
And that's where we like someone to start wrapping their mind around that. Cannabis is not scary.

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Maria
Interesting, even if safe. Even if they don't have a positive result. Yes, as long as they don't have a negative one.

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Katherine Golden
You're correct. Oh, yes. And that's what we tell them. We tell them even if it's something that they take orally. If you what we call is start sub therapeutic. And everybody knows that the hot term microdose if you start so low, we tell everyone search with a tiny little piece of the gummy. You know we, we recommend always cutting something in 4 or 8 because even though we know you're not going to feel anything, that's okay.

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Katherine Golden
Because now you start getting comfortable like, oh, why do you even feel anything? Well, great. Now you know, it's not scary. Now you know that you can start climbing up. So even if a topical doesn't feel anything right away, it's just getting them comfortable to try something.

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Maria
I love it. That's that's wonderful, wonderful advice. See, I always I tend to set expectations too high and psych myself out. And I say, oh what if it doesn't work? So I'm not going to recommend a topical to a family member that needs maybe more. But you know what? No baby steps. It's okay. Recommend the topical one.

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Maria
They might get some kind of a bite of it and two, as long as they don't have an adverse effect.

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Katherine Golden
Right.

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Maria
The we've

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Katherine Golden
Then you go to the next step.

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Maria
Go to the next step. Very, very, very very smart. Well you know You were brave though. You were brave. You were brave to even bring it up to a family member. So I would say to people, do it because you'll regret it if you didn't. And God forbid, Western medicine no longer has something to work.

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Maria
It's what happened for me. I got to tell you a funny story real quickly. And how I started Green Life. I am a back pain, chronic back pain sufferer for over four decades. I had a horrific, catastrophic car accident after my first year of law school. I had a massive spinal surgery that failed. That left me worse than the car accident.

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Maria
For four decades, for massive spinal surgeries, hardware that I don't, you know, I, I can't even describe. Cannabis was not on the table for me, and, I could be pretty formidable. So people did not recommend it. Because I used to just say no and no, but, I had a 17 year old failing dog, and I had a publicist who said, why don't you try cannabis?

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Maria
I had such a visceral response, I couldn't I was ashamed of myself. I. I better head off. I said, well, why don't we just give her arsenic? And and then I caught myself. It was that moment and I realized, why am I being so harsh? Because interestingly, that was at the same time, about eight years ago.

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Maria
It was 2016 when prop 64 was on the ballot in California. And I. I like you as much as I didn't understand cannabis. I was going to vote for prop six before, and I was immediately, you know, people who know me know the bark is worse than the bite. So she pushed back and said, but aren't you voting to legalize it?

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Maria
I was like, I, I caught myself, I got to look at this. I don't know why I'm having that response. I mean, the dog is. In so much pain. And the only way Western medicine knows to stop that pain was a very permanent, solution that I wasn't ready to take. So anyway, that's what opened my eyes. So, guys, anyone out there?

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Maria
If someone suggested to you as a and you are against it, try to just, just approach it with curiosity. Why would this person who cares for me be suggesting it? What would you say? That's good advice, Katherine.

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Katherine Golden
There's absolutely, absolutely that's great advice is just to try it. But, you know, kind of pointing back to what my mission is, is providing a service that anyone can reach. So that way you have that trusted guidance. And like you said in the great intro, you know, nurses have been voted the most trusted professional, I think in 23 years.

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Katherine Golden
Now it's either 22 or 23, number one, trusted professional. And that's because we give you both sides of it. Here are the benefits and here are the possible challenges or cautions. And now you are an informed consumer. And that's where we come from is informing you. So as long as you're going to someone who has that guidance and hopefully, you know, coming to us, we can guide you there and we can give you those resources, then that's taking that first step.

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Katherine Golden
And and consuming safely.

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Maria
Well, and you know you're coming from informing and both sides. But you're coming from through an empathic lens, not just the clinical one. Let's face it. You know, we need the clinicians and the scientists who are merely looking at that and looking at both sides. But nurses have a level of empathy. I've experienced it firsthand. And what I've experienced through my journey and opening up to cannabis is nurses are so much more receptive to wanting to know about it.

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Maria
And my experience with it. We're doctors, you know, unless you have the good fortune and you seek out and and you call Leaf 411 and we'll get to your directory and your network of medical doctors. But doctors like Donny, doctors like doctor Bonnie Goldstein, they're, they're rear. They're pioneers. They're up and coming. Here. Her residency training was in pediatrics, but she'll see adults because there's just a need for health care professionals.

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Maria
And I'm really impressed with your member directory. Can you tell us a little bit about your member directory? And the members ranging from physicians to manufacture tours to dispensaries?

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Katherine Golden
Sure. So when I started Leaf 411, you know, I knew I couldn't just offer a phone number, give guidance and say, okay, now go find a great dispensary or go find a great clinician or an online product. I needed to give resources. So that's where we go out and we go to some of the brands that are vetted.

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Katherine Golden
So anyone that you see on our website is a vetted brand, meaning we've spoke to them, we've looked at their culture, we've made sure we they're, they align with us and know that everything is as true, as transparent as it can be. So when you have, a dispensary or an online manufacturers, they have to have CoA certificate of analysis that are available to the public that the public can ask that they want to see that so they know what's in their product, what it's been tested for, the potency.

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Katherine Golden
We make sure that the dispensaries know that they're going to be patients coming in, even if they're just an adult use store, that they are really wanting to see those patients and and wanting to help them in a way that's, more, warm customer service. We make sure that the clinicians on our website are some of the top, the leaders in the industry.

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Katherine Golden
And, we'll have other resources for them. So that's how we built our resources, all vetted by our team, making sure that you have somewhere to go. So we're just not kind of giving you guidance and then letting you float out there. We want to point in the right direction.

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Maria
That's what's so impressive. And guys, this is the unique value proposition here with 411. And I haven't found it anywhere else. And I look I look in as soon as I find something I'm excited about I love to share it because, I had a doctor, a pain management, a physiologists who had said to me at one point, have you tried marijuana?

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Maria
And and I was, desperate enough with my back. And I had seen the results. I had a favorable outcome with my dog, thank God. And, I was up until I said, where, how. And this was my pain management doctor, a medical doctor, an MD, and he said, oh, I don't I don't know, I just have some patients who have tried it.

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Maria
I think they grow their own. I don't know where they get it and it's help them. And then I said, well, I grow your own. And I was immediately, you know, overwhelmed. Said, do you have to smoke it? She said, no, no. And I don't recommend smoking for lung health. They make, we make a topical as they grow a plant and make it topical.

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Maria
That wasn't very I mean, it just shows why we need lLeaf 411. And you're a unique value proposition that you connect the dots far enough to tell somebody to do something, you have to give them the resources to do it. Finding the resources. Guys, don't beat yourself up. If you have a family member or you're looking yourselves and you feel like you're hitting a brick wall, help is here.

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Maria
We've got Katherine we've got Leaf 411 She's got an incredible network of, physicians, and nurses and, so anyone listening that's like, wow, I want to get in touch with you, Katherine, I want to talk Leaf 411, I have questions. How can they reach out? How can they find reach 411

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Katherine Golden
Yeah. So you can go to our home page Lee 411.org on that homepage is a big white button that says click here. That takes you straight to our scheduling, software. So you can schedule an appointment right there. Anyone can call our hotline. That was what I first started. I had so many people saying, oh, why aren't you starting with an app, you know?

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Katherine Golden
And I said, no, I'm going to go, OG, I'm going to go with the eight, four, 800 phone line because I wanted anyone to be able to call people who don't have smartphones, people who, you know, are unhoused. I've had people that were in the middle, not not even kidding. Within the first year, we had somebody, who was on his ranch and he could only get service out in the field, and he called us to ask about how to use cannabis.

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Katherine Golden
Well, that's what really, you know, proved that that's why I wanted to have this number first, so that that is a free hotline number will always be free. That's for quick questions. How do I get a medical card? You know, how do I schedule an appointment. And then we've grown our programing to now the 30 minute, guidance calls.

00;32;31;07 - 00;32;54;06
Katherine Golden
We're growing it again the 1st of February to be 45 minute guidance calls. We asked for a donation, $25. But if somebody can, afford that, no problem. They just leave us a message on our hotline saying I need a free call. But that's part of what those resources are on our directory. Those companies see the value and it's, educated consumers.

00;32;54;06 - 00;33;16;27
Katherine Golden
So they actually give to Leaf 411 so we can provide free calls to everybody. They have special codes. So that's the only way we can keep our lights on and our doors open is because the cannabis industry, those brands have said, you know what we want to give to you monthly to ensure that the service stays, alive and well.

00;33;16;29 - 00;33;17;10
Maria


00;33;17;13 - 00;33;24;24
Katherine Golden
So it's not a struggle, but we're we're doing it and it, we're in our sixth year now.

00;33;24;26 - 00;33;39;09
Maria
It's it's hey, I know, I know, I feel the pain. And then I noticed on your website that's what you were referring to. Is that the Leaf 411 affordability program for people who have financial hardships?

00;33;39;12 - 00;33;59;01
Katherine Golden
The affordability program is a program we started a couple of years ago. That one has been put on pause, but everyone gets a free call that needs a free call. That is never part of any program that's just given. If someone needs that, they don't have to be a part of a program. They just simply leave on the hotline that says, I need a free call, I need help.

00;33;59;04 - 00;34;31;01
Katherine Golden
Great. We have we tell them that they can call any of the, directory participants and those are their supporters, and they will give them their free code as well to call Leaf 411. It's a coupon codes. They schedule an appointment, but we make sure we help everyone. We do live by donation, so that's important to like I said, keep the lights on and the doors open is through donations because as we spoke about earlier, it's incredibly hard for us to get a grant.

00;34;31;04 - 00;34;35;20
Maria
So. Yes. And, yes.

00;34;35;27 - 00;34;36;20
Katherine Golden
So we need.

00;34;36;23 - 00;35;04;02
Maria
Yes. Just people needing and that that's what's amazing with you because you don't only combined health sciences and an expertise in cannabis, but you're also, an advocate as well. And it's, it's going to take a village and it's, it's going to take educating folk and offering people resources to call even if they can't afford to. Because once people understand it, all politics are local.

00;35;04;05 - 00;35;31;14
Maria
And once people understand it and demand it, then it will go up the chain, although remains to be seen what the new administration is going to do with at least rescheduling. But as long as it's on a schedule one, it's it's virtually impossible, to make money at this. The states and the government are making the money, but well-meaning brands are not.

00;35;31;14 - 00;36;08;05
Maria
And I'm heartened that the brands who are doing it right and going to try to survive legalization and, and self-police and do their own pay, the price of compliance. Because what this legal ambiguity does, it leaves the door open for not well-meaning companies to come in, which really makes it even more confusing. So the companies that are doing it right and and self-policing, being compliant if they can hang on and survive legalization, that's who you want to support.

00;36;08;05 - 00;36;37;14
Maria
And and I'm glad that they're supporting you because it starts with the educational platforms, the the boots on the ground, the nurses in the pocket, the digital Leaf 411, which is your digital nurse in a pocket and, if anyone wants to support Leaf 411, they can go to Leaf 411.org. And you do have, an area to donate, correct?

00;36;37;16 - 00;37;03;06
Katherine Golden
Yes. We have an individual giving page, where anyone can go and donate anything from $1 on up. And then we also have our business memberships where we're hoping, and we would love more industry brands to come and support us. I mean, that's what we would love is having we we do have some supporters from California. Urban Joy is a delivery service in California, and they support us.

00;37;03;06 - 00;37;33;22
Katherine Golden
So we have them all over and we we need more to survive. So whether you're a, a brand or, you know, somebody or maybe you go to a favorite dispensary, we tell people that all the time. They say, how can we help? Say, go to your favorite dispensary, go to your favorite brand and say, please support Leaf 411, because that's how I came to you being an informed consumer, and knowing what to buy when when I walk in the door, you know, and buying smart and buying safely.

00;37;33;28 - 00;37;41;20
Katherine Golden
So that's why we really encourage the industry to, want to support us. And, you know, we need more.

00;37;41;23 - 00;38;08;20
Maria
We absolutely do. And that is great advice for brands. I'm on the, marketing and advertising committee of the National Cannabis Industry Association. Guys, you'll be getting a phone call from me. We've got to get behind. Leaf 411. It's it's I say it all the time. As an industry, we're we're we're we're going to succeed together or we're going to fail individually.

00;38;08;22 - 00;38;40;14
Maria
And, it starts with educating the public. We have to not only educate them, you know, at the end of prohibition, you can educate people about alcohol and the difference between beer and wine. This isn't just an end of prohibition. This is decades of misinformation and stigma and paranoia. And so listen, guys, stay tuned. Because in supporting Lee 4.1, I want to throw a quick word about them.

00;38;40;17 - 00;38;54;20
Maria
And when we come back, Katherine's going to share consumer insights and tips on cannabis and how it relates to opioid use and eldercare.

00;38;54;22 - 00;39;15;29
Katherine Golden
Whether you're brand new to cannabis or a long time user, we know you have questions. And Leaf 411 is here to help. Lee 411 is a nonprofit that provides free or low cost cannabis education through our Nurse Guidance services that can answer your health related questions like the benefits of CBD versus THC, potential prescription interactions, and the best ratios for pain, sleep, and anxiety.

00;39;15;29 - 00;39;26;16
Katherine Golden
Get your questions answered today. Call us to speak with a cannabis nurse or visit our website to schedule your call and find ways to support this much needed public service.

00;39;26;18 - 00;40;07;04
Maria
Hey welcome back. You're listening to Just Say KNOW on KCAA radio 1050 AM, 106.5 FM. I'm Maria Calabrese, your host, and I am joined here with Katherine Golden, who is a registered nursing cannabis expert. We're, we're discussing trending questions about how to consume cannabis safely and responsibly to enhance your well-being. Katherine is the founder of Leaf 411, which began with the first ever cannabis nurse hotline.

00;40;07;06 - 00;40;23;19
Maria
So Katherine wanted to talk to you a little bit about. I really appreciated the free opioid guide. I mean, there's so many there's a plethora of resources on your site, but can you speak to us a little bit about opioids and,

00;40;23;22 - 00;40;57;00
Katherine Golden
Yes, yes. Yeah, I would love to. So, a company called Puff Creative and ninth block is and both marketing companies said, you know what, we really need to publish an opioid awareness guide and came to us and was wonderful and wanted to put some data, some information from the CDC about, opioids and overuse and misuse and then cannabis and how cannabis can be integrated into your, pharmaceutical regimen and start helping to replace some of the heavy use of opioids.

00;40;57;02 - 00;41;16;13
Katherine Golden
And that's what we talk about in this opioid awareness guide, is the different types of pain. And gosh, when I Maria, when I started the hotline, I was the only one on the calls. I started it by myself and I'm like, oh, call. So I know that's how passionate I was about it. I'm like, I got to be a pocket nurse for everybody.

00;41;16;15 - 00;41;42;09
Katherine Golden
And it was heartbreaking to hear that. There is so much physical and mental pain happening across the country, and that's our number one topic. It's physical and mental pain. So, people are just looking for another solution, another alternative. So they want to know, like how how can I soften the pain just to get through daily activities and reduce my opioid use?

00;41;42;11 - 00;42;02;27
Katherine Golden
And that's very safe to do with cannabis. And that's another one of those kind of repeater misinformation that some physicians or, nurse practitioners or Pas or any clinician might use that doesn't really want to look at the science and just says, oh, there's not enough science. And or I don't think it's safe to combine the two. That's absolutely not true.

00;42;03;03 - 00;42;26;04
Katherine Golden
It's incredibly safe. And you can at start reduce seeing your own opioids with your prescribers guidance. Once you start learning and seeing that the science is there, that cannabis is very effective for pain, you have to know which ratios would be best. And once you learn that, is what's something we can teach witness, the nurses only 411.

00;42;26;09 - 00;42;49;17
Katherine Golden
can teach, then you know how you can use it in conjunction with your regiment and with pain typically comes with inflammation. And then the pain receptors. And what the number one thing people are taught is that CBD helps with inflammation and THC touches those pain receptors. So when you put both together, then you've got your gold standard.

00;42;49;19 - 00;43;09;18
Katherine Golden
And that's usually what people start saying, oh, you need a 1 to 1 CBD THC ratio. And that's a good starting point. We start giving just some of those little tidbits of guidance to say, okay, here's where you start. Here's a good ratio. And this is why CBD is great for pain. And this is why THC is great for pain.

00;43;09;21 - 00;43;30;03
Katherine Golden
And this is why they're great. They're even better together and why you should use them together. And now we've got even minor cannabinoids like CBG. That's great for neuropathic pain. And neuropathy. Some people know it as neuropathy that they get from using, from if they've been an ecology patient. So all kinds of different forms of pain.

00;43;30;06 - 00;43;55;10
Katherine Golden
And then there's mental health pain. And what we can use which is fantastic for mental health pain is CBD which helps kind of balance the body and bring a relaxation to the body helps decrease anxiety. There's just so much we can go into. And that's why we created the Opioid Awareness Guide. So just to give you the starting information that it is cannabis is safe to use.

00;43;55;10 - 00;44;16;06
Katherine Golden
And we wish it was a first line medicine versus a last line medicine. And that's kind of what we advocate for is, you know, it's really safe to try cannabis because there's very few receptors in the brain stem. So you cannot there's no lethal dose of cannabis. So somebody could take an entire canister of gummies and eat that accidentally.

00;44;16;12 - 00;44;27;11
Katherine Golden
And they won't go into cardiac arrest. They won't have a respiratory depression like you can with opioids. You just it's not possible.

00;44;27;13 - 00;44;48;20
Maria
We'll we'll have another another another episode. But, my last spinal surgery, which was in, January of 2020, right before covet. I did not, wake up. I yeah. What did you call it? Opioid respiratory.

00;44;48;22 - 00;44;51;09
Katherine Golden
Respiratory depression.

00;44;51;11 - 00;45;21;07
Maria
I went from the recovery room to a critical clear care unit to pretty scary stuff. Pretty scary stuff. And it's real. It's real. So what are some of the kinds of conversations you're having with people who call in who are relying on opioids, or what kind of questions are they or concerns are you hearing surrounding trying cannabis?

00;45;21;09 - 00;45;42;29
Katherine Golden
Well, the number one question is how do they how can they start cannabis and start reducing the amount of opioids they consume? And that's where we start. So one thing we always like to enforce is you never want to just throw away your prescription medicine. You know, it's just start cannabis. It's not, you know, the one product you can take and it cures all.

00;45;42;29 - 00;45;49;05
Katherine Golden
And that's what a lot of that's another misconstrue option. You want to integrate them together, use them synergistically.

00;45;49;12 - 00;45;52;18
Maria
Is there, danger of interaction.

00;45;52;20 - 00;46;29;17
Katherine Golden
No. So there's no. So this is this is another little tidbit that a lot of people are really nervous about. Drug to drug interactions. Yeah. And I can I take cannabis with X, Y or Z prescription? The answer is almost always yes. It's just dose dependent. Meaning it depends on the the dose of cannabis you take. When we get concerned about the amount of cannabis you take, it's usually in the triple digit, oh, you're taking 100mg of CBD a day, 200, 300.

00;46;29;19 - 00;46;52;27
Katherine Golden
Then there's a concern. But when you're taking the doses that are over the counter suggestion serving size ten milligrams 20mg, there's never a concern for a drug to drug interaction because it's too low. So that's where you always want. And you need this guidance from a medical professional to tell you that it's dose dependent. Everything is dose dependent.

00;46;53;02 - 00;47;16;00
Katherine Golden
It depends on how many milligrams you're taking of cannabis versus what you're taking, what prescription medication you're taking. So we like to tell everybody that it's not contraindicated when something is contraindicated means you can't take it together. But there's cautions, meaning that it can affect the way the prescription medication is, the blood level of it in your body.

00;47;16;02 - 00;47;32;21
Katherine Golden
All you have to do is check those blood levels, and that's where you get your primary doctor involved to say, hey, I'm taking cannabis now, so can we please check the blood levels of prescription X, Y, or Z? That's very simple for them to do. Yeah. And start getting everybody together.

00;47;32;24 - 00;47;55;02
Maria
And guys, don't be discouraged if your primary doctor is like, no, then call Leaf 411, please, Katherine please give Leaf 411 a call. And you will help them find a primary doctor in their area. Is that how it would work? Who could could help them?

00;47;55;04 - 00;48;16;20
Katherine Golden
Well, so what we do, if they're. Yes. If they're looking for a cannabis clinician in their area, there's a really great resource, the Society of Cannabis Clinicians. SCC and they're a nonprofit as, as well, all you do is type in your zip code and you will see if there's trained cannabis clinicians in your area.

00;48;16;23 - 00;48;27;11
Maria
Now, what if you're in a state where it's not legal? Can someone from a state that's not legal, for instance, try to get a tell a medicine appointment with Doctor Barney Goldstein in California?

00;48;27;13 - 00;48;41;18
Katherine Golden
No, because usually you have to see them in person. Yes. So as a medical, as a physician, a physician has to in order for them to take you into their practice, they have to physically see you and do it, in person.

00;48;41;18 - 00;48;46;11
Maria
Oh, sure. Sure. Yeah. Willing help.

00;48;46;13 - 00;49;03;22
Katherine Golden
Yeah. There's telehealth, there's telemedicine, and then there's telehealth. So there are physicians that you can call from another state that won't give you exact dosing, but they will tell you they'll give you suggestions, they'll tell you, they'll give you education, okay.

00;49;03;22 - 00;49;22;21
Maria
But you want to you want to see a doctor. So if you're in a state where it's not legal like you did with your brother in law took him, well, Colorado was legal, but you took him. Well, he was in he was in California. California. But if he wasn't, you would have just taken him to California. I have a feeling.

00;49;22;23 - 00;49;41;00
Katherine Golden
Yeah. And that's what a lot of the physicians will say, you know? You know, and that's the heartache is that there's, you know, a lot of people can't afford it just to up and move. I mean, we've had a lot of people move to different legal states because they want to get that medicine. And that's, that's when you have them leave.

00;49;41;02 - 00;49;56;04
Katherine Golden
Or you can just go up, you can visit with a doctor, see the doctor in person for the first time, you know, get into their private practice and then you go back to your state and then they can correspond with you, telehealth.

00;49;56;06 - 00;50;02;22
Maria
In. Yeah, yeah. Ricki Lake did a wonderful documentary. I'm sure you saw weed the people. Did you see. Yeah.

00;50;02;28 - 00;50;03;12
Katherine Golden
Oh, yeah.

00;50;03;12 - 00;50;37;16
Maria
And Doctor Bonnie Goldstein was, featured in that, and it showed people with pediatric cases having to. Yeah. What you do, you have a child that's Western medicine doesn't have an answer when you actually get into the science and start talking and having conversations and listening to conversations with people like Katherine Goldman, you know, it just the when you have that moment, you're you're off and running because it's got so much potential.

00;50;37;18 - 00;51;01;07
Maria
And with all the money that the government spent and and like you said, there's 35,000 studies over the last ten years. But prior to that, what galls me is so much money was spent on research to justify the schedule one and find out what the heck was wrong with it and prove that it was dangerous and they con it.

00;51;01;09 - 00;51;32;10
Maria
So, yeah, well, I really think that that's, wonderful. And, do you know, doctor, are you familiar with Doctor Yasmin Hurd out of, Mount Sinai in New York? She's, a formal, psycho pharmacologist from Jamaica, but she's studying, the effects of CBD and THC on opioid addiction. She's a wonderful research. People can look her up.

00;51;32;10 - 00;51;51;05
Maria
Doctor Yasmin Hurd h u r d we will have her on the show page. Among research sources. Initially, she wasn't sure CBD would be so helpful. Like, you needed THC, but now she's finding high doses and it's all about the doses and the entourage effect.

00;51;51;05 - 00;51;52;22
Katherine Golden
The mixing about the doses.

00;51;52;27 - 00;52;23;00
Maria
Yeah, but but the exciting thing is, in episode three, we did a podcast with, Doctor Manesh Girn. He's a neuroscientist. He's out of, UC San Francisco, out of Doctor Robin Carthart's lab. They're studying the effects of, psychedelics and cannabis on the brain and brain health. And this is a great segue, because they had a lot to say about it, for opioid addiction.

00;52;23;00 - 00;52;54;02
Maria
And what was very compelling to me and exciting was that there's actually evidence now in CT scans showing that it doesn't just suppress the addiction, but it actually heals the part of the brain, the amygdala. And they actually seeing bio plasticity and healing take place of the damage that was done from the opioid, which was very exciting. But they also studied and talked about dementia and Alzheimer's and felt a ringing off the hook.

00;52;54;02 - 00;53;27;01
Maria
We've had so many questions coming in. And Katherine, the majority of them, a lot of people are interested. And of course, how can it help with chronic pain? How can it help with mental anxiety, depression? We had a chance to just scratch the surface on that big topic opioids. And I've got to get to elder care. I have people I've got I've got so many questions coming in saying and I, I don't even want to ask you this, but the first question on Elder care is does Medicare cover it?

00;53;27;04 - 00;53;54;22
Katherine Golden
Hi. Well, I, I wish it did. We wish it did. And hopefully it will someday. But there are states that are working on programs. I'm actually working on a program here in the state of Colorado, to, we we have a patient that we're covering her medical cannabis to try to reduce her opioid use. And so there are states that are working on allowing, insurance to cover the medical cannabis.

00;53;54;22 - 00;54;18;12
Katherine Golden
So it's coming there. There's light at the end, we can see it and it's coming. And there's people all in different states working on this. You just don't hear about it yet because our programs haven't grown as much yet. It's slow because you have to get so many people on board to accept to do this. But, no, it's it, you know, there's there's different things that you can look at.

00;54;18;12 - 00;54;41;05
Katherine Golden
You can look at maybe getting your card covered, your medical card, you can look at getting maybe some of the medicine covered. It depends on what programs you're in. You would have to look into your state. But, what I really want to talk about for the older adults and you mentioned it, Maria was, the heart ache we've been working in with a program.

00;54;41;05 - 00;54;56;26
Katherine Golden
The focus is on the dementia care and dementia caregivers, and the heartache they have at home because they, on average, about 75% of dementia patients are cared for in the home, 75% are in the bottom.

00;54;56;26 - 00;55;08;02
Maria
Right, 75%. Well, and if you're in a long term, long term care facility, they use their own pharmacies. So that would be a whole other barrier.

00;55;08;02 - 00;55;08;24
Katherine Golden
That's harder.

00;55;08;27 - 00;55;12;15
Maria
I didn't realize 75% were, wow.

00;55;12;21 - 00;55;37;03
Katherine Golden
Please, they're in the home because it's expensive. It's so expensive to put your loved one in a facility. So they've either promised their loved one that they will never put them in a facility, so they keep them at home and care for them there or they can't afford it. So now the beautiful thing is, now they do have the autonomy to increase, to introduce cannabis into their regimen.

00;55;37;06 - 00;56;02;09
Katherine Golden
And that's what we've been helping with in all my word. If you see if you could see with these low doses of CBD, THC, and CBD, cannabidiol have helped with the dementia behaviors. The aggressiveness, the agitation, the abusive, the some of them get very abusive to their caregivers. It just calms everything down.

00;56;02;11 - 00;56;10;12
Maria
Now is there is there a prescription for that, like a regular medicine? And how would it compare the efficacy.

00;56;10;15 - 00;56;41;24
Katherine Golden
So that's what's interesting. So even the FDA warned about using antipsychotics. And unfortunately antipsychotic meds are widely prescribed for dementia patients. They just don't know where. You know, what else to use. And now we are showing that we're using cannabinoids. So low dose CBD with THC for daytime and low dose, CBD with THC for nighttime, healer.

00;56;41;27 - 00;56;48;11
Katherine Golden
So I don't know if you've heard of Doctor Dustin Sulak out of Maine. He is phenomenal. He's a new.

00;56;48;11 - 00;56;49;23
Maria
Member directory that's.

00;56;49;23 - 00;56;51;20
Katherine Golden
Using our members here. I heard.

00;56;51;20 - 00;56;55;17
Maria
About him. I just yeah, I learned about him through Leaf 411.

00;56;55;20 - 00;57;19;29
Katherine Golden
Yes. So doctor Dustin Sulak out of Maine, he helps formulate the products of healer cbd.com and what he noticed in his practice and he still has a practice over 3000 patients in Maine. He noticed that he was seeing the dementia behaviors, really start to subside with the combination of THC and CBD in the daytime and CBD and THC at night.

00;57;20;06 - 00;57;42;02
Katherine Golden
So he created help create this beautiful blister package that's easy to pop out. One gummy know exactly how to give it to your loved one, because 75% are cared for in the home so that your, you know, sister brother who's taking care of your mom or dad needs help. And how do I dose this? How do I know what to give?

00;57;42;02 - 00;58;09;09
Katherine Golden
So they've created this respite product that is just easy to give to your loved one. And then they also give, instructions on, well, if they're in a facility, how do you reach how do you how do you ask that facility's, clinicians to write an order for cannabis. So that's what we're trying to do is help facilities understand that it's also easy to write an order for cannabis.

00;58;09;12 - 00;58;37;20
Maria
It's phenomenal. It's just phenomenal. And, Kathryn, anyone who wants to find out more information about that, please go to Leaf 411..org I can't believe nearly an hour has flown by. I really hope you'll come back and and bring some of your member directory. I mean, we have so many things to talk about. This has been the most wonderful conversation, the work you and your team do, at Leaf 411

00;58;37;22 - 00;59;07;01
Maria
It empowers patients, caregivers, and health care professionals with the knowledge that they need and every one of those groups are suffering either mentally or physically. And if we have something that can help ease that pain, that's, you know, so I, I can't I can't thank you enough for your dedication to the patient advocacy and education. It's making a real difference.

00;59;07;08 - 00;59;41;20
Maria
And guys, everyone here and everyone I bring into the hive, we're pioneers. But I say it over and over again. What happened to the pioneers? Pioneers get shot. The settlers get the gold, please, please. You've gotta support the well-meaning pioneers because, We we. This is a precious, precious, precious plant. It's underutilized. And as we conclude today's episode of Just Say No, it's important to recognize the need for these voices and empower you with the information that you need to navigate.

00;59;41;22 - 01;00;13;00
Maria
So, Katherine, thank you for sharing your valuable insights, highlighting the importance of organizations like yourself, your members. We. For one, you're bridging the gap between traditional medicine and cannabis science. And guys of people like Katherine myself don't do it. No one's going to do it. And people are suffering mentally and physically. And once you realize that it can be avoided or alleviate it, you'll join the Green Revolution.

01;00;13;00 - 01;00;53;05
Maria
It's not a green rush. It's a it's a it's a revolution. So anyone listening who has questions or a loved one who has questions about cannabis, please reach out to me for one one. You can call them. You go to their website 411.org or call them at 844 leaf 411 844 leaf 411. And I created Just Say No to serve as a network of people connected through cannabis rather than a cannabis network with people I truly, truly appreciate the opportunity to share and highlight the smartest minds in the industry and the bravest with you, and I thank you for being a part of the Green Bee Life hive.

01;00;53;07 - 01;01;15;12
Maria
To everyone listening, big thank you for tuning in today, your curiosity and desire to learn. It's what fuels these conversations that are going to propel change. And I appreciate you taking the time to explore cannabis with us today. If you enjoyed today's episode, be sure to subscribe, leave us a review, and share this with someone who might benefit from this information.

01;01;15;16 - 01;01;53;08
Maria
Until next time, stay informed, stay empowered. And as always, Just Say KNOW. That's with a K and a W, K-N-O-W. Maria Calabrese. signing off from KCR radio 1050 Am. 106.5 FM. The station that leaves no leaves. Leafs leaf no listener behind. See you next time. Just say know is a greenbeelife presentation airing live weekly on Friday afternoons from 4 to 5 p.m. Pacific on KCAA Radio and KCAA TV.

01;01;53;10 - 01;02;31;10
Maria
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01;02;31;12 - 01;02;47;20
Maria
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