EPISODE 18

Apr 25, 2025

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Maria
Hello. Hello and welcome to Just Say KNOW. Where we shine a light on cannabis with clarity, curiosity and a commitment to credible conversation spotlighting the people and products shaping the legal cannabis movement. I'm your host, Maria Calabrese, and you're listening on KCAA radio 1050 AM, 106.5 FM, or wherever you tune in for your podcasts. Hey, today we're turning the top the dial back people.

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Maria
We're turning it back to all the way back to the 70s, and we're turning into a whole new wave of cannabis curiosity this time from the generation who helped spark it in the first place. We're calling this episode 50 is the new 420 because baby boomers are blazing a comeback not out of rebellion, but for relief, restoration and reconnection.

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Maria
I'm old enough to remember seeing the first Terminator hit theaters back in 84. For teenagers, I'll Be Back, right became iconic, but by the sixth movie, let's be real, it might as well have been all my dating back. And while some of us, especially today's guest, were too young for Woodstock, we definitely grew up in it's glow. We're peace, love, and a little puff puff pass set the tone for a new way of thinking on screen.

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Maria
Cheech and Chong gave us our first glimpse of cannabis through clouds of smoke and punchlines. Back then, it was more of a joke than a wellness prescription. And who remembers the love right? Friday nights with The Love Boat, our weekly cruise into escapism, romance and umbrella drinks. Now, instead of Mai Tais and Captain Stubing, we've got dispensaries, microdosing mints and pot silks made from full spectrum CBD.

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Maria
It's not about going back, it's about coming full circle and this time with intention. And that's exactly why so many of us are coming back to cannabis. Not to relive the past, but to reclaim our well-being. Before we dive in, let's clear up a little cannabis code. Why 420? The story starts in 1971 with a group of five high school friends in San Rafael, California, called themselves the Waldo's.

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Maria
Now, legend has it that every day after school, at 420 sharp, they meet by a statue of Louis Pasteur, spark one up, and hunt for a rumored hidden cannabis crop. Now, why were they hunting for this and not just growing their own content? Spoiler alert one of the topics of today's show. Rumor has it one of the brothers, back in the 70s, was a little too paranoid to grow his own.

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Maria
We're going to continue to talk about that in a bit, but they never found the stash. But what they did find was a legacy. There. An inside joke became an after school ritual, and with a little help from the Grateful Dead and High Times Magazine, 420 became a global code for cannabis culture. Fast forward to today, and cannabis is no longer a secret handshake.

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Maria
It's a symbol of connection, creativity and community. According to a recent research, cannabis use among adults 65 and older has tripled in the past decade, making baby boomers and seniors one of the fastest growing groups of cannabis consumers in the US. As the late, great Carl Sagan once said, cannabis helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world.

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Maria
And today, oh, that serenity and insight is growing in backyards, garden beds and window boxes thanks to women like my guest. Returning to the show is Penny Barthel, author of The Cannabis Gardener, who's on a mission to bring Peace, purpose and plants back into our homes and routines. Also joining us is Doctor Emily Gogol, founder of Grow It from Home, a scientist turned gardener making cannabis cultivation as easy and normal as growing tomatoes will leave the science to her.

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Maria
She's got us covered. We'll explore the healing power of gardening. How older adults are reclaiming cannabis as part of their wellness journey, and why growing your own is one of the most empowering things you can do, no matter your age. So whether you're growing your first seed or lighting your first joint in decades, you're not late to the party.

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Maria
Let me tell you something. Yeah, right on time.

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Maria
Welcome back and thank you for joining us here on Just Say KNOW. Well, before we jump into the garden with our guests, I'm going to bring them on their back stage. Let's take a moment to remember where we've been, because the path to legal cannabis wasn't paved in pot leaves in good vibes. For many baby boomers, cannabis wasn't just controversial, it was criminal.

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Maria
We grew up under the shadow of reefer madness with its fear based messaging and cartoonish portrayals of cannabis turning teenagers into monsters. I don't know that they need a cannabis for that. But anyway. Then came the war that got the war on drugs launched by the Nixon administration in the 70s, which disproportionately targeted communities of color. It fueled mass incarceration, and it solidified the stigma surrounding this poor print.

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Maria
But in spite of it, all those plants survived. Behind closed doors, in garage grow rooms and tucked inside record sleeves, cannabis culture lived on in head shops, in secret stashes, in whispers passed between friends. Fast forward to today, and boomers aren't just revisiting cannabis. Let me tell you, they're redefining it. Many are turning to cannabis for plant based relief from arthritis, chronic pain, anxiety and sleep disorders, trading in prescriptions for topicals, tinctures and low dose edibles.

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Maria
As noted in a recent Emerald Magazine article, throughout history, cannabis has powered creativity, resilience and even royalty. From warriors to wise elders, this plan has always had a place and that place. It's now on dispensary shelves, in self-care routines and nestled in beautifully curated backyard gardens. Cannabis today is infused into everything from skincare to sparkling beverages, and it's no longer just about getting hot.

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Maria
It's about getting well. Boomers may have entered cannabis culture through rebellion, but they're returning with purpose, intention, and a whole new vibe. And speaking of vibes, let's bring in two women.

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Maria
Who are just phenomenal and they're doing their part of this evolution. They're actively cultivating it. So, we're going to bring in we're going to be talking with Penny Barthel, author of The Cannabis Gardener, and Emily Gogol, founder of Grow From Home, for a grounded and empowering look at how cannabis is changing from the roots up. So, Penny, Emily.

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Maria
Welcome, welcome.

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Emily Gogol
We're thank you for having us.

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Maria
Well, thank you for being here. We've got so much to discuss. So on the topic of 50 being the new 420, maybe I'm going to start with Emily. Emily, tell me what your first memory of cannabis was.

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Emily Gogol
Yeah. That's great. I'll say I come from California. Super liberal family. Everything was discussed and open. And as a consequence, in high school, my experience of cannabis was like, I don't have time for that. That is something my friends, do after school. And they go hang out at Taco Bell and they are wasting their time. I have the Saturdays to study for, and I don't want to have anything to do with that.

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Emily Gogol
You know, they're dopey, you know, and even though they are my friends, and I think that attitude really came from seeing how they use cannabis and also it not being this illicit thing. You know, it was talked about, in my household along with other things, and it was like not a big deal. It was always be safe and be careful who you get into a car with, you know, kind of thing.

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Emily Gogol
And that's just how I viewed cannabis. That was kind of my first, experiences with the plant. So it really wasn't until much later in life that I rediscovered it for, for cannabis, for what it can be in many different ways. To help people and to be part of their lives. So I, that was my first kind of introduction to cannabis.

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Emily Gogol
So.

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Maria
How about youPenny. Do you, you remember, your first memory of cannabis?

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Penny Barthel
Oh, I sure do. I mean, I was I'm a I'm a Gen Xer, and so for me, cannabis was something, that Cheech and Chong did. I thought it was hilarious, but it was very foreign. I was in a pretty straight laced home, and, I knew about these, you know, intriguing people in junior high and high school.

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Penny Barthel
We call them stoners, and they would go do stuff. They were sort of, you know, exotic creatures in some respect. I had some interaction with them, but not a whole lot. I tried, weed a little bit when I was in high school, but that was sort of it for me. And I got over it, you know, as I've, I've, I've come to cannabis later on in life.

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Penny Barthel
It was like a very different, experience. I was really confused about why it was. I had these ideas, but all throughout junior high and high school in particular, man, that was just beginning the Reagan era and the war on drugs was in full force. So it was it really did a number on my, on my attitude about it.

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Penny Barthel
So I'm a little older than Emily, and it was not an open discussion. It was just something that other people did, and it was not a good thing that they did.

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Maria
Exactly, exactly. I'm a little older.

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Maria
Yeah, I'm a little older than you guys, and I'm a recovering Catholic, so none of this was on the table. And, I remember those Nixon era days and the Vietnam War protest and a lot of the, the making it a schedule one in a felony, was convenient because then the hippies kind of vote who were protesting the war.

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Maria
Because if it's a felony, you can't vote crazy, crazy, crazy. And it's interesting, though, because your perspectives, they shift it. And, you know, you obviously view it very differently now. So. So how do you see cannabis differently now? What challenges do you think older adults who were indoctrinated with all this stigma face in terms of accessing or understanding today's legal cannabis environment?

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Maria
And, Penny, I'd like to start with you and then bring Emily in.

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Penny Barthel
Yeah. Of course. I mean, this is the heart of what I teach. And with my classes at wondering about weed here in the Bay area, a lot of the adults, enjoyed cannabis when they were in high school or college in the 70s and 80s, and it was fun. And it was just for pleasure. Now they're older, they might have some health concerns or just they want to try it again, but they don't know what to do because it changed for them.

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Penny Barthel
It's come out of this war on drugs. Everybody had the the mental, concept that cannabis is bad. It's not something to do. But now they want to try it. So the biggest thing. You know, when I was growing up, and those who are a little older than I, we had a number done on us. We were told stories, and the story was drugs are bad and cannabis is a really bad drug.

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Penny Barthel
It's on schedule one. It didn't it wasn't an obvious story. No one actually said those words to me. But I got the message. It was not something good. But now we're having to retrain ourselves with a new message as cannabis comes out of prohibition and there's these fabulous stores called dispensaries. People have to to sort of hold two stories in their heads at the same time.

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Penny Barthel
One is cannabis is a terrible drug, and it's going to hurt you, and the other is cannabis is a gentle herb, and it can really help you. So that's probably I think the biggest challenge for older adults is getting rid of the old story and writing a new story about this plant in their heads. I know I had to do that and my current journey in cannabis was really helping a friend, put some cannabis plants in her garden so that she could help a friend of hers who had cancer.

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Penny Barthel
And so it was it was sort of an interesting way for me to reenter this world of cannabis. I'm glad I did in that regard. And now I'm just I fell headlong in love with this plant.

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Maria
And that's, that's a very powerful why, and we're going to get to the workshops that you teach on growing. Do you think growing your own helps with changing that narrative, introducing people to the plant backyard gardeners?

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Penny Barthel
Oh, for sure, because it recontextualizes the plant. The plant itself tells its story to me. It says, look at me. I'm not a dangerous, horrible drug that's going to mess up your life. I'm a beautiful plant that grows in your garden, and once you get to know the plant for itself and then you get to experience the benefits from it, no one is telling you another thing.

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Penny Barthel
The plant tells you its story in that regard. It's a wonderful way to learn about cannabis is to grow it.

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Maria
I'm going to bring Emily in on the topic of, growing it, because that is definitely her ally. You introduced it to me, Emily. I was fascinated when I met you, and, knew you as a scientist. But then tell us a little bit about your your mission, about, I mean, kind of the why, why should people grow it at home?

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Emily Gogol
Yeah. Oh, my gosh, Marie, there are so many reasons. I'll just say the kind of why of my mission is during my PhD, I helped build public parks and community gardens. So I'm really an urban ag advocate for food access, public green spaces kind of person. And then I moved and started this cannabis farm. And folks from all over the country were getting in touch with me, saying, hey, how do I grow this plant?

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Emily Gogol
There's so much bad information on the internet. Why is it so unlike gardening? Anything else? And as a scientist and a backyard gardener and someone who just wants to help people get access, I think it's silly. They don't have access. I was like, oh my gosh, I have to help these people. So my why and mission is really to help just people get what they need.

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Emily Gogol
I listen to what they need, and people needed seeds that were high quality and produced either CBD or THC or both, and that were quality garden plants. You know, just like when you grow a San Marzano tomato that you picked up at your local garden shop, when you grow your, afternoon punch cannabis plant, you want it to be just as vigorous and healthy.

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Emily Gogol
So I started getting people gardening as opposed to worrying about the information on the internet and treating it practically like the plant that it is that belongs in the garden. So that's really my my, why. And it's just like gardening any other plant when it comes to the garden, when it comes to the laws, it's a bit different.

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Emily Gogol
And when it comes to how it affects your body, it's similar to some plants and different in others. But from a gardening perspective, it's easier than putting in a tomato plant.

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Maria
Wow. I gotta tell you, your timing is perfect because we're almost coming into 20 minutes on the show. And on the topic of 50 being the new 420, and they'll be 420 here in LA and at 420, I like to drop a knowledge bomb. We're going to take time to have a little quick chat. So Emily, I'm going to ask you, is it true someone said to me, a did you know, did you know cannabis is a vegetable, etc.?

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Emily Gogol
I mean, I'm not like a food botanist, but I say, I mean, tarragon isn't a vegetable. It's it's an herb. It's a flower and it's a vegetable. I guess you could say it's all three things, right? If you're cooking the leaves. You know, I know folks that wrap dumplings in the leaves. That kind of makes it a vegetable.

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Emily Gogol
I know folk sees it as herbal medicine. You know, they're using it in their teas. They're using it in topicals and oils. Ingesting the flower itself in recipes. That's definitely an herb. And it's 100% beautiful. Or smoking it, you know, it's an herb and then 100% it's a beautiful flower. My grandmother would not ever come in Catholic, very much a Catholic, very conservative.

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Emily Gogol
I would after I started my my cannabis farm and she came to visit, she's like, oh, this smells so good. If I wore this to mass, like the priest would love it. With this raspberry and, you know, nectarines and. Oh, I love the smell. Emily, could I get one of these for my patio to smell at night?

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Emily Gogol
You know.

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Maria
Your grandmother was not far off because there are references dating back to the Bible came a Basil. The Hebrew root came out for cannabis, for some for aromatic, and some people. I think grandma is no wonder what's in that incense in the church. You know, I.

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Emily Gogol
Think it can be like many plants, a rose, you know, like cannabis has smell, has medicinal use. And you can eat, you can eat it, right? You know, cannabis, you can eat it, you can smell it. You can use it medicinally. You can treat it like a vegetable, treat like an herb. And it's beautiful in your garden. It's really so versatile.

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Emily Gogol
So I yeah, gardening. It's all about the gardening part of it, you know.

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Maria
It's all about it. And I love, your tote bag. It says you grow tomatoes, peppers, zucchini and hemp. Yep. And, what? Where do you stand? Vegetable, fruit, herb? What is it?

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Penny Barthel
I'm going to call this a culinary herb. It is also a medicinal herb. And believe it or not, it's sort of a beautiful ornamental plant. I wouldn't call it a vegetable because you don't eat it for nutrition, per se, but for health added, there's no calories in it. You're not going to get sugars for any, you know, anything like that.

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Penny Barthel
But I'm going to call it a culinary herb and it's a medicinal herb. What? There are other culinary herbs oregano, thyme that have powerful medicinal properties. They don't get you high. So we don't sometimes in our own lexicon, categorize them like that. I love to enjoy eating cannabis. You got to remember that there's very low levels of cannabinoids in the leaves.

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Penny Barthel
It's really in the female flower buds is the only place you're going to find the cannabinoids, whether they're in the acid form or, or not, in the flower bud. But, you know, here's a hot tip. You can take those little tiny leaves and chop them up real fine in a chiffonade and throw them on the top, like a pasta dish with fish, small amounts.

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Penny Barthel
It's going to give it a nice, fresh, slightly bitter herbal flavor. And you will get some health benefits from it, from the raw or the acid form of the cannabinoids anti-inflammatory. They're going to be pain managing. It's great stuff.

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Maria
Now, a lot of our listeners who are curious about it and new to cannabis, especially older adults, they remember the, really rich kind of skunk smell. And some people don't like that. So if you are having the raw and do what you just just stir it. Does it have that strong aroma?

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Penny Barthel
No, not at all. So here's the thing that happened in the 70s. It was completely illegal. So we were getting poor quality old oxidized seed, weedy, cannabis that wasn't fresh. It was very dense there, you know. So it's a it's like a very different plant when you grow it in your garden. You got these fabulous new cultivars.

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Penny Barthel
Emily's part of the forefront, the breeders who are breeding for excellence in both scent and cannabinoids. And they're good, strong, growing plants. It's a very different plant altogether. It doesn't smell like skunk at all in my garden. The, the the fragrance that I usually detect in my cannabis is it smells like just fresh sometimes. Like the ocean, like pine, like, lemon often like like strawberries or rose.

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Penny Barthel
And all of the scent sort of mingle together. But there is that sharp, wonderful herbal essence kind of undergirding to all cannabis, but there's not variety.

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Maria
Nice. And when you talk about the quality and you mentioned Emily, it's a perfect segue because, Emily, I want you to explain to everybody when we come back on our consumer tips and, and insights, about growth from home in your farm. But, we had a wonderful, video clip, and I, I'd like to throw to it.

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Maria
So here we go.

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Emily Gogol
So Grow It from Home. Provides commercial farmers across the country with high CBD flower plants commercially. And we offer the same variety of hemp to you as a backyard as we do our commercial farms. So you're getting the same tried and true tested. The commercial variety hemp plants, but you get to grow them at home as a backyard gardener.

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Emily Gogol
So we've already put the years of research and development into making nationally known. It's called craft flower hemp plants, and we're now making them available to you in your backyard. Just like if you were to buy an organically grown broccoli at your local grocery store. These are organically grown USDA organic certified hemp plants. We're really proud to be part of that program.

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Emily Gogol
We try to be excellent stewards of our land here, right on the Applegate River, and southern Oregon. So we're very aware of what we're putting into the ground and being good stewards. So we have very precise protocols for how to care for these plants and steward them in the environment that they're grown in, so that they are produced organically.

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Emily Gogol
I've always loved gardening, like when I was a little kid, I growing up as part of my chores as a kid in California and my mom's backyard. Those are my earliest memories as a little kid, having to pull the beds from underneath the rose bushes, and my mom maintained a big flower garden and vegetable garden, and I just grew up being outdoors with her.

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Emily Gogol
And I loved eating the fresh food. And I love being outside with her and my sister gardening. And when I moved to San Francisco and started grad school to do my Ph.D. at the University of California, San Francisco, during my PhD, I had a great time building the public parks and working with the neighborhood to create these green spaces.

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Emily Gogol
And when I left San Francisco to come run by my farm, I let everyone know why I was leaving. And I have to say, all the little old ladies in the garden were like, wow, Emily, I never thought you'd do San Francisco to run a pot farm. But tell me more about CBD and about cannabis. I'm really curious, and I was just so surprised when everyone came up to me after the announcement and and wanted to talk to me about this forbidden fruit.

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Emily Gogol
I left San Francisco to start a commercial hemp nursery, and I've been working with farmers for the last two years, and it wasn't until last year I literally got calls from regular gardeners all over the U.S. that found me through my commercial website asking, hey, could you sell me plants? Okay? And I was just floored. I never thought I'd be able to work with, you know, backyard gardeners again.

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Emily Gogol
And I love being able to help folks with this plant. So when you receive your plants, they are US Organic Certified, you get a lab result that comes with your plants showing that it's legally classified as hemp. That's part of our requirement, actually for shipping plants. And you get a quick start guide. So it's a beautiful 1 to 3 quick start guide to help you get started with your plants.

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Emily Gogol
And we encourage everyone to share their grow over the season with us on Instagram and Facebook. And in order to come out with better new varieties every year we maintain a research and development program on the farm. So we're all about trialing, testing, really understanding how to improve the plant for both commercial farmers and for backyard gardeners.

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Maria
And that is how we describe grow it from my home. And I love the quick start guide. It's, you've got to read Penny's book. There's no replacing that. The book is phenomenal. But when you receive those plants, it's it's you know, I'm one of those people when I have to put kids, toys together before on Christmas Eve, I don't want to read the instructions.

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Maria
I want to read a whole book. But you got to read the whole book to get it right. But the quick start guide, you go right to the quick start guide. She really, really gets you feeling confident and like, okay, I could get this this plant growing, bringing you guys back. You know, we've explored the why behind cannabis garden and how so many seniors are doing it and they're turning to hemp.

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Maria
So let's dig into the how. So whether you're starting with a seed or a plant or even just a sunny patio and a little curiosity, he I want you guys to give us some trusted tips to help people grow with confidence. So I think we can start with, with, Emily. Emily, what should people look for when they're buying cannabis seeds and plants?

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Emily Gogol
So. Yeah. So cannabis seeds. Don't be afraid of them, okay? Don't be afraid, everybody. Cannabis seeds, they're like sunflower seeds. Broccoli seeds. Radish seeds. Size wise, they're very similar. Here's a little diagram I just did for people in our classes. There's so much misinformation on the internet. Start your cannabis seeds just like your broccoli or your radish.

00;28;55;14 - 00;29;14;17
Emily Gogol
Do not follow the, you know, no paper towels, no domes, no heat mats. And we have all this information on our website. So the first thing is follow good gardening practices. If you're starting from seed, start them like you would any other quality garden seeds. And Penny's textbook. You know, I call it textbook, but like, it's our textbook for the class.

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Emily Gogol
Really? I do really highly recommend Penny's book. It has such fantastic information. It makes a great gift. And it's just it's practical gardening advice that is a little more cannabis specific, but just apply good gardening, which is throughout Penny's book, and you will grow fabulous plants. And then when it comes, you know, in terms of if you don't want to start seeds, you're the kind of person that's like, you know, I buy my plants at the local shop and then I tuck them into the ground.

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Emily Gogol
That's totally a possibility. You can order plants from us. I would say there are some caveats to where you order supplies, and I can let Penny chat about that. Our company just works really hard to make sure that you're getting a quality product that every year, you know, you grow our afternoon punch, you get afternoon punch. And it is a vigorous, super happy, easy to maintain, easy to harvest plant.

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Emily Gogol
So, my main thing is like, don't be afraid. They are just seeds like all the other seeds you can get at the garden shop. If you buy them from us, they're going to be quality high germination rate and afternoon punch gives you afternoon punch every time. Which is a problem in the cannabis industry in terms of quality.

00;30;25;11 - 00;30;38;05
Emily Gogol
So we feel I feel very lucky I can bring quality stuff to gardeners. The same expectations I have when I buy San Marzano tomatoes, seeds I have for my cannabis seeds, too. And I think everyone should. And they're easy to start. Tomatoes.

00;30;38;08 - 00;31;15;19
Maria
I love that you call them San Marzano tomatoes, because in my Italian household we just call them gravy tomatoes. And we call that gravy, not sauce because we're Italian East Coast. But yeah. Turning to you, Paddy, can you talk to us about giving some tips about how to find reputable sources? And, and, talk a little bit about, you know, tips for older adults or first time gardeners in terms of container gardening, you know, soil blends or, water light so easily.

00;31;15;22 - 00;31;36;21
Penny Barthel
Let me just say this. My book is essentially a garden book, but it's a garden book about one plant. But here's if you want to be the best gardener you can, here's all you need to know. As a gardener, you've got one job to do. Give the plant what it needs. That's your whole job. Now, what Emily and I talk about a lot is, well, what does this plant.

00;31;36;23 - 00;31;59;06
Penny Barthel
Right? That's most of what my book is. Or half of it, anyway. So what a cannabis is, is a tall, summer growing annual. It goes from a seed to a very. And within, a couple of months. So you need to give it number one full sun. You want to give it big, rich soil. So you're going to want to use the best quality soil.

00;31;59;06 - 00;32;16;24
Penny Barthel
If you're going to put it into a container, you can do that in a raised bed or in-ground. But nice quality soil that has a lot of nitrogen in it. Full sun. And then just keep it watered. That's kind of all you need to know. So if you are interested in growing cannabis, you don't need a yard.

00;32;17;00 - 00;32;36;24
Penny Barthel
It's great if you have one, but you don't have to have one. You can grow in a container. So especially for people who have limited space or they're, not used to lifting heavy things, no problem. You want a 15 gallon container? Grow bag is great ones with handles. And then you're going to want to use the best quality soil you can.

00;32;36;29 - 00;33;00;27
Penny Barthel
It's called recipe 420 is my favorite to use. It's by EB Stone. It's readily available. But if you can't find that no problem go to your local nursery and they're going to tell you the right soil to put into your grow bag. You plant a plant in it. Now, a plant that is, strong and well grown and well bred seeds is going to make your gardening the easiest that you can, that you can do.

00;33;00;29 - 00;33;19;03
Penny Barthel
So you start with great genetics. Because that will determine a lot about not just what's in the resin at the end of the year, but the end of the season. But how strong that plant is going to be, how disease resistant it's going to be. I don't recommend growing from clones or rooted cuttings because they have a couple of, limitations with them.

00;33;19;07 - 00;33;38;12
Penny Barthel
So I always recommend growing from seed. It's super easy. Like Emily said, when you're if you're going to grow in a garden, a lot of older people know how to garden. Good. You are ahead of the game if you've gardened, if you've grown a tomato, grown a vegetable garden, easy. It's it's just like growing that. But you need to make sure you get your cannabis space.

00;33;38;12 - 00;34;09;09
Penny Barthel
So imagine a three foot wide circle around that plant. That's how much space you're going to need to get it. And my hot tip for growing in-ground is to add compost about a week or two before you actually plant the plant. Super hot tip worm castings. If you want to add worm castings or, well, composted, chicken or rabbit or steer manure, it's going to give your plant all that it needs to grow really well throughout the season.

00;34;09;12 - 00;34;10;13
Emily Gogol
Yeah, I....

00;34;10;15 - 00;34;34;15
Emily Gogol
I told you, Penny, your can be fun. We teach these classes together, and it's, again, everything. It's gardening. So whether you're 100 years old or 20 years old, you can grow this plant. It's so amenable in a container petite, ten, 15 gallons, or you want to go in the ground. It's what works for you. Okay? There is no limit on your enjoyment in a sense of this plant.

00;34;34;15 - 00;34;44;19
Emily Gogol
Don't let people tell you, oh, you're too young to old, too big, too small. This and that. About growing, about growing cannabis. It is really not fickle.

00;34;44;22 - 00;35;03;03
Maria
And, you know, the seeds go a long way. I wish I was shocked. I didn't believe you, Emily. You gave me a consumer insight and tip and said, Maria, you only have to plant 1 or 2. You're going to be the zucchini lady at you, you know, giving it away to all your neighbor.

00;35;03;06 - 00;35;28;28
Emily Gogol
Oh, my God, I had a bag with me. I should have brought a bag. Over here. You know, you're going to get full disclosure with my home garden. I am a neglect, a benign neglect kind of gardener. And having now worked for years with folks across the country that are somewhat benign, neglect gardeners as well, I can say with data pound to pound and a half of dried flower.

00;35;28;28 - 00;35;48;26
Emily Gogol
I mean, you become. Yeah, the zucchini lady because you have a pound. It is like a pound, a massive amount of flour. You never, you know, you buy grams, you know, ounces at your dispensary. You are now getting pounds of the stuff. So one plant is for like your whole family, you know, like it's like an entire bounty.

00;35;48;29 - 00;35;52;20
Maria
I was shocked at the. I was shocked at the amount.

00;35;52;22 - 00;36;18;09
Emily Gogol
Yeah. No special stuff. No babysitting this plant, no elite extreme genetics, no pro set up, no optimal environment, bat guano, sunlight by the moon, whatever. I mean, it is. Put the plant in the ground with the the nutrients you would for tomato at the right time of the year and you walk away.

00;36;18;11 - 00;36;51;15
Maria
At what point we said just give it what it needs. Now we're not badmouthing the the art and the science to it, but that's where these ladies have done that for us. So now you get it delivered to your door and for the consumer insights and tips and for more of those they offer workshops. So can you tell us a little bit about the workshops that you give and I believe, Emily, that you even, during the season, the growing season.

00;36;51;15 - 00;37;07;22
Maria
And at 420, you've got a lot of, exciting things, but additional events that you do in Los Angeles. So tell us a little bit about the workshops where you give them. I know in the Bay area and in the Southern Cal area. Tell us a little bit about those.

00;37;07;27 - 00;37;28;03
Emily Gogol
Yeah. So they're sponsored by the USDA. And in giving these workshops with Penny over the last two years now, we've really come to appreciate there's this sort of community celebration of cannabis that we want to help organize. So in addition to our gardening workshops and medicinal herb workshops and DIY edibles classes, we are kind of helping organize Cannabis Week.

00;37;28;03 - 00;37;47;29
Emily Gogol
And the idea is it's an exploration of the plant. You know, you can go to an event and you can, you know, pick up seeds and get gardening. Like, that's very fun. But you can also maybe go to a plant friendly yoga event, or we're having a pet parade and wellness market at Benny Boy Brewing, on 420 week and on Sunday.

00;37;48;06 - 00;38;14;07
Emily Gogol
And it's about celebrating wellness and pets, getting access to CBD for their various conditions that are veterinarian approved in a very practical or information based way. That sort of helps destigmatize it. So we're going to have a big pet parade at a brewery and have wellness practitioners there answering questions about physical therapy and massage and, have lots of giveaways.

00;38;14;07 - 00;38;35;18
Emily Gogol
So it doesn't have to be this in the closet thing. It doesn't have to be in this dispensary thing. It doesn't have to be. Let's just get really stoned and listen to music or what, you know, like, I mean, parties are great, but like the idea that people are using it and celebrating the plant in so many different ways and we're through our workshops, learning about all these ways, and we're just trying to help people get access.

00;38;35;18 - 00;38;55;13
Emily Gogol
So we've got go to Cannabis Week, dawg. There's a bazillion events that are listed. So if you know you're not into yoga, but you're into pottery or you're into the Pet Parade, you know there's lots of different things to do. There's a big comedy night, like, it's just there's so many things.

00;38;55;15 - 00;39;04;17
Maria
And that'll be on Sunday at, 420, 2025 at Benny's Brewery in Los Angeles Brewing.

00;39;04;17 - 00;39;05;03
Emily Gogol
Yep.

00;39;05;05 - 00;39;18;25
Maria
Danny Boy Brewing. And you can meet Emily. Now to meet Penny. Penny, tell us a little bit about the workshops that you and Emily give throughout the year and where they are, and.

00;39;18;27 - 00;39;41;23
Penny Barthel
Emily and I. So when Emily and I teach, we realized that we're both gardeners and we're gardeners. Go to get stuff where they go to nurseries. But until Emily and I put a couple of intellectual things together and, and spoke with one nursery here in the Bay area, we convinced them to let us come and give a class on how to grow cannabis in the garden.

00;39;41;23 - 00;40;06;01
Penny Barthel
It's in the Bay area, so people were already doing so, and they knew that, but they also were able to sell Emily's seeds in the nursery. So Emily and I have been starting with one and now dozens, 20, 25 nurseries. We go to local nurseries and we show up. We teach every day gardeners in a nursery setting how to grow cannabis in the garden.

00;40;06;01 - 00;40;28;12
Penny Barthel
We talk about containers, raised beds in ground, how to grow it, when to grow it, how tall it grows, how to manage the very few pests that it might give people able to learn. They're able to buy the soil amendment that they need the bags, and most importantly, for the first time ever, Emily and I are able to sell her find quality seeds in a nursery.

00;40;28;15 - 00;40;45;24
Penny Barthel
Before Emily and I put these two pieces together. People, gardeners. We go to a nursery to buy everything else, and they'd have to go to a dispensary or an online resource to get seeds. So we teach in nurseries, which is exactly where we should be teaching. We've had to, tell a lot of new stories, though, about this plant.

00;40;46;00 - 00;41;09;25
Penny Barthel
There's a lot of hesitation in the somewhat conservative nursery world about letting us come in and teach about this plant, but we've gotten overwhelmingly positive reception. We've had up to maybe 50 people at a nursery that, there we taught a class two weekends ago. We've got weekends coming up, and they, this will be teaching in San Francisco, throughout the Bay area and back in Los Angeles again.

00;41;09;25 - 00;41;28;28
Penny Barthel
And then here's the cool part. It doesn't end with growing, because harvest has a whole other section of classes in the Los Angeles area, in the Bay area. And, you know, our goal is to make this available throughout the nation. Wouldn't it be cool if we could get this throughout the entire nation? We got to get people growing this garden.

00;41;29;00 - 00;41;51;07
Penny Barthel
You put this plant in the garden, and then they're going to go, wait, this isn't a scary plant. Those are the stories that I was told really weren't very true. And I think that we're going to snowball in the right direction. If we can convince people to grow this plant, the garden, and then they use it. And then, by the way, come holiday gift time, you're going to be the most popular gift giver in your whole community.

00;41;51;09 - 00;41;59;21
Penny Barthel
It is the best thing you could possibly you can trade for somebody who's got lemons. Well, guess what? You've got? You've got high quality homegrown.

00;41;59;23 - 00;42;23;05
Maria
And and Penny and and Emily. We'll start with Penny. What do you do with this quality, homegrown. What are what are some of the things you make with it and how do you use it? And Emily and then we'll come to you because I know that you've got, you have a great dog treat recipe to add some of the flower.

00;42;23;05 - 00;42;27;23
Maria
And we even did a video of that. But, honey, what are some of the ways that you use it?

00;42;27;23 - 00;42;44;03
Penny Barthel
And yeah, I teach this through another company that I co-founded called Wondering About Weed. We're all about teaching grownups how to use cannabis and enjoy it. So I, I like to say that I use cannabis all day long and I'm rarely stoned. Now, let me elaborate on that a little bit.

00;42;44;03 - 00;42;46;17
Maria
So have you have you had cannabis today?

00;42;46;20 - 00;42;47;12
Penny Barthel
Yes.

00;42;47;14 - 00;42;47;24
Penny Barthel
Every morning.

00;42;47;27 - 00;42;51;14
Maria
Me too.

00;42;51;16 - 00;43;17;23
Penny Barthel
Wow, you don't look stoned. It's not as I'm not. Let me tell you that. One of the things I do with it is that I make a pink. Pink sure is just, you you it's just moving the the the good stuff in the flower on the cannabis, things like alcohol. And then you can take it. So every morning I take a raw tincture that has both THC and CBD in it.

00;43;17;25 - 00;43;19;19
Penny Barthel
So that's the first thing I do.

00;43;19;22 - 00;43;24;05
Maria
Do you just put the wrong lead in the water. You infuse the water yourself.?

00;43;24;07 - 00;43;26;19
Penny Barthel
Yeah. The the raw cannabis flower bud.

00;43;26;21 - 00;43;28;28
Maria
Or the flower but not the ...

00;43;29;01 - 00;43;32;16
Penny Barthel
Yet flower, but in alcohol, a high alcohol ...

00;43;32;17 - 00;43;34;02
Maria
Could’ve have a V8

00;43;34;04 - 00;43;59;08
Penny Barthel
I guess this is why my book, has more about gardening. It also tells you how to make three key extractions. The first one is in a an alcohol based tincture. Super important, you can precisely dose it. It's available at all times. Second, my my second way that I, use cannabis daily is in a sap s now, a sav is a place where it's just a fat based topical.

00;43;59;08 - 00;44;24;18
Penny Barthel
That's my own magic salve and I throw a whole bunch of cannabinoids in it. In this case, I'm using THC and CBD, but in a whole full spectrum also. Or cannabis concentrate. It just works magic. And again, the cannabinoids do not get into the blood system. They don't make it to my brain. It's incredibly helpful at help at localized pain and inflammation.

00;44;24;20 - 00;44;42;25
Penny Barthel
And then I also make cannabis oil. I'll often put this in little chocolates that I'll eat at night to help me go to sleep, whatever. And then the last thing you can do with it, inhale it. So I like, instead of rolling a joint and like using a, whole flower vape. My favorite is made by Mighty Plus.

00;44;42;25 - 00;45;00;20
Penny Barthel
It's a mighty plus by stores and their packs makes them as well. So there's all sorts of stuff you can do with it. You can you can bake with it, you can put it in drinks, you can make little treats and, enjoy it as you need. So I'm in charge of the plant after it gives me what it so generously offers.

00;45;00;22 - 00;45;06;20
Maria
So, Emily, what are some of the uses you use it for personally?

00;45;06;23 - 00;45;35;27
Emily Gogol
Personally, I would say everyone in my life requires the CBD save from pennies book. I have to make that in very large quantity for everyone from 20 year olds in my family running marathons to 93 year old my grandma with arthritis. So the CBD salve. And then now mixing in some THC with the salve to help people with additional pain relief is the most frequently made product, in my house from the plant.

00;45;35;27 - 00;46;00;12
Emily Gogol
So, personally, I use THC to sleep. It helps me with my inflammation and pain. And, I found that for me, THC a so the raw form of or the, it's the raw form, let's just call it that, of THC in the plant, actually, for use during the day really helps with my energy, my inflammation and my pain.

00;46;00;12 - 00;46;22;29
Emily Gogol
So it actually kind of gives me an up when I, when I use thc a, personally. So that's kind of how I use it and the way I like to consume it. I have very, damaged lungs from, from cancer, basically. And I like an edible. You know, I've been making these little mints in classes. Now I'm teaching these classes, and the classes started because everyone in my life now also wants the mints.

00;46;23;06 - 00;46;44;22
Emily Gogol
So it's the CBD salve, and now it's the mints. And you can make the mints using the tincture formulas and pennies. Book, to do a THC, a mint, a CBD mint, or a THC mint so you can make all the different kinds. Yeah. And once you have the tincture, you just go from there. And now that I can make these mints for folks, now, everyone in my life wants the mints.

00;46;44;24 - 00;47;06;24
Emily Gogol
So I'm like a candy manufacturer in my kitchen, and now we're teaching classes on it, too, because it turns out I talked to our gardeners about it, and they're like, oh, I want to make the mints, too. So now we're teaching people how to make these little candies that are so portable, very low dose. And who doesn't like a little mint in the car, you know, when they're on their way somewhere, it's like fresh ginger breath.

00;47;06;24 - 00;47;26;13
Emily Gogol
It's nice. And they can be very low dose, whichever cannabinoid you want, you know, and they're easy to make and require very little equipment. So those are really my top go tos. I don't like I said, I can't smoke, it doesn't work for my lungs. So that's why I take it and supply everyone to me with salve and now candies.

00;47;26;13 - 00;47;55;18
Maria
Basically, yes. And if you can't smoke? Well, Penny talked about the dry herb vaporizer. We have them at Green Bee Life by stores and vehicle stores and vehicle is one of the, premier great brand and a dryer vaporizer if you're going to go that route. But, thank you for sharing that with us. I'm, I'm, I'm just so inspired that you are a cancer survivor.

00;47;55;18 - 00;48;03;21
Maria
And, I knew you before. I knew you after. And you haven't missed a beat, my friend, so.

00;48;03;24 - 00;48;04;13
Penny Barthel
Thanks, Maria.

00;48;04;14 - 00;48;24;06
Emily Gogol
Yeah, I think, and I was even, you know, even, you know, even as a pot farmer, you know, myself. And coming from a very liberal household, like we talked about the episode, you know, I was very hesitant to start personally using cannabis. I thought, oh, I don't need this and I'll be fine. And now I see it has these health benefits, but I'm okay.

00;48;24;09 - 00;48;45;10
Emily Gogol
And then once I kind of let myself experience the plant and learn what worked for me, I was like, wow. And it really, even for me, not having the stigma, talking to gardeners who were coming to me saying, hey, I want to grow this plant because I want to get high or I need to treat my Crohn's disease, you know, for whatever the reasons were.

00;48;45;12 - 00;49;08;26
Emily Gogol
And I just kept getting story after story after story from these folks across the country of all different ages. Like I said, you know, from 20 to 100 people want to use this plant for different reasons. Once they feel they can, and then it's affordable and accessible. So I think it was really even just doing my work and seeing how much it helped so many people that I kind of let myself get helped by the plant as well.

00;49;08;28 - 00;49;37;22
Emily Gogol
So, you know, don't think, it doesn't have to be a big deal and you're not alone. If you look at the the pictures on our Instagram, you know, the classes that I teach people of all ages, all backgrounds, using it for all different reasons. So don't feel like you're alone in this or that. You have to take it a certain way, or it should be easy for you.

00;49;37;22 - 00;50;01;24
Emily Gogol
You know, it wasn't easy for me to start using cannabis medicinally. So, there's a big community of people. You don't even know about that now, Penny and I know about, because we chat with them. You know, it's totally your Presbyterian Church bridge club ladies. You know, like, there are people in your life that you don't even know that are benefiting from cannabis in their life, whether it's, you know, medicinal, recreational, however you want to call it.

00;50;01;24 - 00;50;06;15
Emily Gogol
So, it don't feel alone. It doesn't have to be this big, this big thing.

00;50;06;19 - 00;50;34;21
Maria
And that's why going to your workshops are so empowering. I mean, they're limited to California at this point in time, but what I was thrilled to hear was that you're doing them online as well, opening them up so you have them online as well. So. Right. So people can visit growitfromhome.com. That’s growitfromhome.com or pennybarthel.com/events.

00;50;34;23 - 00;51;06;13
Maria
Penny P-E-N-N-Y Barthel B-A-R-T-H-E-L.com. Now all of this information is going to be on our show page. So we've got so many resources to provide from from both of you because you're both prolific and you put out wonderful, wonderful, wonderful information and content and you're empowering. And, we're coming up to the five minute warning on this show, and I'm telling you, we could have gone on and on and on.

00;51;06;13 - 00;51;32;22
Maria
I really want to have both of you back. We could do a whole hour spotlighting your products, penny. Your book, The Cannabis Gardener, it's available on Amazon., pennybarthelcom. Emily, Grow It From Home. Your seeds, your plants. You have other wonderful, wonderful products on there.

00;51;32;24 - 00;51;59;04
Emily Gogol
You know the other thing, too, we covered we've talked a lot about gardening and DIY and how empowering it is to take control of the plant for economic reasons. Health reasons. We'll say to, you don't have to do it all, you know, if you don't want to start seeds, order plants. If you want to first try topicals with CBD, order some salve flower you know from our website and make your own salve.

00;51;59;06 - 00;52;22;09
Emily Gogol
Or, you know, get Penny’s book as a primer. You don't have to cook every recipe in the book. That's okay, I haven't. I cooked every recipe in your book Penny. Full disclosure I need to have it. Okay, so even if you don't cook every recipe in the book, get the book read through it. You know, if you're more comfortable starting off purchasing something and having that be kind of your entry point, it's okay.

00;52;22;12 - 00;52;38;21
Emily Gogol
You don't have to do it all. Everybody, you know, we're just trying to give you the tools, whether you want to start from a seed, a plant or by flower, or just come to a workshop and meet with us, it's okay. That's the point and everything.

00;52;38;23 - 00;52;46;08
Maria
And you can grow it purely as a conversation starter. You don't even have to consume it. You can have so many gardeners.

00;52;46;12 - 00;53;06;18
Emily Gogol
That's the other funny thing I learned recently. So many people we work with don't grow for themselves. They grow because it's a cool plant, because we can and it's been illegal. Or because they have a friend, a neighbor, somebody else that they want to gift it to. They don't even use it themselves or they need it for their job.

00;53;06;22 - 00;53;15;13
Emily Gogol
They make treats for their dog like it has. They do not require it personally, but they want to work it and give it as a as a Bountiful thing.

00;53;15;13 - 00;53;36;08
Penny Barthel
And and that's how I got my start growing. And exactly that is that I helped a friend grow it for her friend who had cancer. We we had a hilariously bad luck that year. But still, cannabis is resilient. And I do have friends who just like growing the herb. They don't really use it a whole lot. Isn't that cannabis creates community.

00;53;36;10 - 00;53;59;16
Penny Barthel
It is a plant that's so generous that if you grow one plant, maybe your friend grows a different type. You can trade. You can. Then maybe you're a really great cook, and so you can get into your kitchen and you can make a tincture or something like that. You can trade, I've got a friend who I make the custom dosed chocolates for him, and he's a wine collector, so he offers me wine.

00;53;59;16 - 00;54;18;09
Penny Barthel
We trade. It's just I love how it creates community and we share from each other. There is never a class that Emily and I teach where I don't learn something from the people who come. How are you using it? Why do you care? There is a woman who came. Well, she have had a traumatic brain injury. Three of them.

00;54;18;09 - 00;54;39;06
Penny Barthel
In fact, it was helping her. Another one helping her get back into life with CBD and the anti-inflammatory effects there, people with the sexual tremor disorder, people who have, skin rashes, eczema, a person claims like, I cannot wait to make this into into a salve for my skin, but do I have to wait until the fall after it's dried?

00;54;39;06 - 00;54;51;17
Penny Barthel
And I said no. Buy some of Emily's fine quality CBD flower. It's a huge bargain, compared to buying salves or buying in a dispensary. So there's just tons of flexibility.

00;54;51;20 - 00;55;19;02
Maria
Yep. And it's it's quality. They always say make it when it comes. I come back to the Italian Sunday gravy, make a Progresso or make it yourself. Make it from Emily, grow it from on a grower yourself. But guys, we're going to have to wrap. I'm going to have you back. You know, as as we wrap up today's show, you know, 50 Is The New 420, by the way, I've been to your workshops and I'm I'm so impressed.

00;55;19;02 - 00;55;44;29
Maria
I mean, I there's more senior citizens there. I would say at least the ones I attended than, the 19 year citizens. But we've, we've taken quite the journey. You know, we've looked back at a time when cannabis, you can't even say it. You had to use code 420. It was shared in secret. You know, there was stigma was the rule, not the exception.

00;55;45;01 - 00;56;15;21
Maria
And, you know, we've reflected on a generation that helped shape the counterculture and now the returning to cannabis, not to relive the past, but to reclaim, as I said, the wellness, the connection and the clarity. And, plants evolved, to something, you know, you could proudly plant it cultivated and share it. If you're in a state that's legal, got a check down to your county, that's another show.

00;56;15;24 - 00;56;36;01
Maria
But whether it's in your garden, your gummies or your your gratitude practice. And now we want to hear from you. I want to hear from the listeners. I want to know what 420. What does that mean to you today? Is it a memory? Is it a turning point? Is it a ritual to have us on social media?

00;56;36;01 - 00;57;06;16
Maria
Share your stories or drop a comment on the episode page at greenbeelife.com/just-say-know/ And, you'll find today's resources there, including links to Penny's book, The Cannabis Gardener. Emily's Grow It From Home links. She's got top shelf, premium, lab tested, really, really quality product. And there's on our site a full library of educational content, curated tools and cannabis ads and insights.

00;57;06;18 - 00;57;32;03
Maria
So whether you're here to grow to learn, to consume or to share, Green Bee Life is your hive for cannabis clarity and community because cannabis, it isn't about getting high, it's about getting well, being informed and living fully. And here on Just Say KNOW where. curiosity is Queen will always keep it real and relevant and rooted in truth.

00;57;32;03 - 00;57;49;27
Maria
Ladies, I hope you will come back. This has been just fantastic. Everybody. If you're in the Los Angeles area on 420, be sure to go down to Emily. It's called Benny's Brewery.

00;57;50;00 - 00;58;14;12
Emily Gogol
Benny Boy Brewing really check out cannabisweek.org. So cannabisweek.org. And that's where all the events are. There's a ton of events that are happening. The Benny Boy Brewing event is my personal favorite, because I'm going to get to run a dog parade and hand out CBD. I just hang out there called Chill Pacino's or something like little CBD pup chinos, like from Starbucks.

00;58;14;12 - 00;58;19;14
Emily Gogol
They're going to bring them to hand out and that's my...

00;58;19;16 - 00;58;22;16
Maria
Starbucks does not...

00;58;22;16 - 00;58;35;27
Emily Gogol
So like that's my personal favorite. But there's like yoga. There's a comedy night. There's intentional sound bath work like pottery. I mean it's just to this week.org find your flavor of fun. Lots of it's all.

00;58;35;27 - 00;59;02;00
Maria
Right and people can find that on grow it from home.com as well on your events okay. All right guys thank you so much I look forward to having you back everybody. Happy healthy, safe 420. It's also my birthday. But that's another episode that that that I put the five in the 50 is the new 420.

00;59;02;03 - 00;59;13;06
Maria
It's really 60. Alright guys! Taking it out. 

00;59;13;09 - 01;00;19;09
Maria
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